sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Thank-you for the discussion and input.
Here is where it can be confusing. I spent a couple hours yesterday exploring flickr under creative commons, specifically under attribution/non-commercial /no derivitive. Under "some rights reserved" it says "you are " free to copy, share and distribute". I found numerous photographers who had a copyright symbol on their photos but were listed under that heading.
Here is an example
http://www.flickr.com/photos/landscape_photography/
I think they put the copyright symbol and name on the photo so that no matter who shares it where, it gets their name out. Basically, free advertising. Also, it stops people from sharing it too much. You can share it, but cannot use it for commercial purposes.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: The story doesn't make sense. Distan specifically said he did not know where it came from. oh well.
I belong to 10 photo sharing websites, some of which I pay a monthy fee for, and that is where my photos come from.
Just be careful. Flickr is not a photo “sharing” site. It’s a site where people will let you view their photos, but not necessarily use their photos. I am willing to bet other sites you are a member of have very similar policies.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Here is the link from niebrugge of the picture of the grizzly where he credits distan and when you click through you get to distans photo.
I spend much time following links trying to credit the photographer but just like niebrugge when that is a dead end I then credit the source.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=ron+niebrugge
When you do a search on Flickr for Ron Niebrugge, you find both his photos and photos other people have posted that are his. The bear photo you found is Niebrugge’s photo. You can see it on his professional site.
Distan tagged this image with Ron Niebrugge’s name. Distan shouldn’t have posted it without Ron’s permission. And he should have at least, in his caption, said it was Ron’s photo, since he was obviously aware of this.
There’s a lot of “stealing” of images going on on the internet. Finding a photo that was posted without giving credit doesn’t mean it’s “free” for others to post.
Just so you know, the Tumblr Terms of Service say that you cannot post content for which you are infringing on copyright. If one of the photographers find their work on your page, they will have every right to complain to Tumblr and Tumblr has the right to discontinue your service.
Unless it is obviously stated that a photo is in the public domain, you are better off not posting it to your page unless you have permission from the artist.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Look, even on niebrugge's own photostream there is a photograph that when you click on it , goes to another photostream, which says they don't know where it came from.
In other words he is posting a photo that has no real attribution. It may be copyrighted, it may not. Are you saying he is legally wrong to post it? I don't think so.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/distan/3536056048/
I do my best to give proper attribution, just as he does.
When I checked the link from the website I got the photo from, it led me to his photostream.
Since it was flickr, I was comfortable with it, but just like the photo on his photostream, It is hard to determine sometimes what is in the public domain and what isn't.
The link you gave me was for Real Distan’s photo stream. I’m saying that Distan shouldn’t post a photo he doesn’t have the rights to, unless the photographer has given him permission.
Giving attribution is not the same as asking permission. AFTER you have permission, then you can post the photo WITH attribution.
On Flickr, it is actually very easy to determine what is/is not in the public domain. In the right column of the page, near the bottom, you will see either Creative Common symbols saying how you can share images (as on Real Distan’s photostream) or you will see the copyright symbol. I flipped through several of Rob’s photos, as I found them to be stunning, and saw that he has a copyright symbol for all of the ones I looked at.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Ron Niebrugge is a contributor to flickr.
A member of Flickr.com doesn’t automatically place Creative Common usage on their photos. I know because I’m one such photographer.
I took a look at some of Ron’s photos on Flickr. They are all stunning! Below every photo is a copyright symbol, not the Creative Common symbol. So, you don’t have permission to post his work unless you have spoken with him directly.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Please reserve judgement until you have a little more experience with tumblr and the internet in general.
Most photos are sourced unless there is no source which is true in about 50% of the photos.
Many photographers (amatuer and professional) give permission for use as long as they are not reproduced to be sold commercially. Here is the link to verify what I am telling you.
http://www.flickr.com/creativecommons/
You see there are legitimate and well known websites where photographers contribute
their work to be distributed.
In the future do your homework before making insulting and disparaging remarks.
No judgment. Just asked a simple question — do you have permission to post the photos?
The last photo you posted was by Ron Niebrugge. On his site, he has the following notice. “All photographs appearing on this site are the property of Ron Niebrugge unless otherwise noted. These photos are protected by the U.S. Copyright laws and are not to be downloaded or reproduced in any way without the written permission of Ron Niebrugge. By entering this site you accept these terms. If you need permission to use a photo on this site please call (907)224-7280 or email us at info@wildnatureimages.com Our stock photo rates are consistent with fotoQuote 4.0. For information regarding stock rates for commercial license or personal uses, please contact:”
I assume by your comment that you have contacted Ron and have his permission to post his photos, as it appears he holds full copyright.
I only asked because it seems like a lot of trouble to go to — getting the photographers’ permission — in order to be able to post as many photos as you do.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: I was going to mention that part of the philosophy of tumblr is sharing. There is a way to re-blog any post you see and like and it will move to your blog.
Just click on re-blog next to the little heart and then click again when it says "reblog".
Sunsurfer
I’d love to share any work that is yours. Let me know when you post your own photos.
sunsurfer-deactivated20110911 asked: Thank-you for the kind words. Those are not my photos,I author a variety of blogs, a teaching blog, and a poetry blog, www.bluepueblo.tumblr.com and in the process of working on those I kept running across these stunning photos. I started archiving them and eventually started posting them.
I like what you are doing on your blog.
Sunsurfer
Since they aren’t your photos, are you getting permission from the photographers to post their work?
This is a prompt from Plinky. I might use it from time to time to give me ideas of things to post on my page.
Keep it light, keep it fun!
I have had too many weeks of serious work. Well, we have fun at work, but I’ve been involved in a lot of analysis and justification for making costly changes and making observations that support those changes…and on and on with the serious stuff. I’m ready for a light, happy, fun day…and I’m gonna have it!
It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood! ;-) I’m looking forward to a great day with friends at Dave and Buster’s. I’ve never been there before but it looks like a LOT of fun, especially with the right people.